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		<title>By: sage</title>
		<link>http://ragesoss.com/blog/2010/07/13/wikimania-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-5560</link>
		<dc:creator>sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 11:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, I&#039;m not interested in having this argument.  It was interesting to me 4 years ago when I started, but all the points you raise are minor variations on common lines of criticism.

Wikipedia has problems, and I (along with a lot of other Wikipedians) am interested in fixing or ameliorating them.  But debating with people who want to see the whole project fail or view it as a hopeless endeavor is a waste of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, I&#8217;m not interested in having this argument.  It was interesting to me 4 years ago when I started, but all the points you raise are minor variations on common lines of criticism.</p>
<p>Wikipedia has problems, and I (along with a lot of other Wikipedians) am interested in fixing or ameliorating them.  But debating with people who want to see the whole project fail or view it as a hopeless endeavor is a waste of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Damian (banned editor)</title>
		<link>http://ragesoss.com/blog/2010/07/13/wikimania-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-5541</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Damian (banned editor)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Wikipedia’s virtues far outweigh its faults, in my view

But please give arguments.  The page you linked to, where you say &#039;Wikipedians have debated to death&#039; these issues, does not discuss any of the points I have been raising.  Specifically, Wikipedia is a mass of trivia.  The exact sciences are pretty good, I agree.  The &#039;soft sciences&#039;, particularly the humanities, are a complete wreck.  How do you get from &#039;complete wreck&#039; to &#039;virtues outweigh faults&#039;?  Have you looked at some of the articles I have been talking about, here and in my blog?

Sorry to bang on about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Wikipedia’s virtues far outweigh its faults, in my view</p>
<p>But please give arguments.  The page you linked to, where you say &#8216;Wikipedians have debated to death&#8217; these issues, does not discuss any of the points I have been raising.  Specifically, Wikipedia is a mass of trivia.  The exact sciences are pretty good, I agree.  The &#8216;soft sciences&#8217;, particularly the humanities, are a complete wreck.  How do you get from &#8216;complete wreck&#8217; to &#8216;virtues outweigh faults&#8217;?  Have you looked at some of the articles I have been talking about, here and in my blog?</p>
<p>Sorry to bang on about this.</p>
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		<title>By: sage</title>
		<link>http://ragesoss.com/blog/2010/07/13/wikimania-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-5528</link>
		<dc:creator>sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is some validity to each of these points, of course, but you&#039;re not raising any issues Wikipedians haven&#039;t debated to death many times before.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_Wikipedia_is_not_so_great

In spite of all that, Wikipedia&#039;s virtues far outweigh its faults, in my view.  You disagree, and that&#039;s fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is some validity to each of these points, of course, but you&#8217;re not raising any issues Wikipedians haven&#8217;t debated to death many times before.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_Wikipedia_is_not_so_great" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_Wikipedia_is_not_so_great</a></p>
<p>In spite of all that, Wikipedia&#8217;s virtues far outweigh its faults, in my view.  You disagree, and that&#8217;s fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Damian (banned editor)</title>
		<link>http://ragesoss.com/blog/2010/07/13/wikimania-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-5527</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Damian (banned editor)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You haven&#039;t answered his objection. Everything I have read by Cade seems like whole truth to me.  I have been interviewed by him and he is quite scrupulous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You haven&#8217;t answered his objection. Everything I have read by Cade seems like whole truth to me.  I have been interviewed by him and he is quite scrupulous.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Damian (banned editor)</title>
		<link>http://ragesoss.com/blog/2010/07/13/wikimania-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-5526</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Damian (banned editor)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main criticisms are 

1.  That a list of facts is not the same as a fact.

2.  That by some magic having anyone able to edit something makes it somehow better.

3.  That people in real life can get hurt by Wikipedia.

Answers to these criticisms please!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main criticisms are </p>
<p>1.  That a list of facts is not the same as a fact.</p>
<p>2.  That by some magic having anyone able to edit something makes it somehow better.</p>
<p>3.  That people in real life can get hurt by Wikipedia.</p>
<p>Answers to these criticisms please!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Damian (banned editor)</title>
		<link>http://ragesoss.com/blog/2010/07/13/wikimania-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-5525</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Damian (banned editor)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is a piece of idle sentimentality that truth, merely as truth, has any inherent power denied to error&quot;.   John Stuart Mill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is a piece of idle sentimentality that truth, merely as truth, has any inherent power denied to error&#8221;.   John Stuart Mill</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Damian (banned editor)</title>
		<link>http://ragesoss.com/blog/2010/07/13/wikimania-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-5524</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Damian (banned editor)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A further post here

http://ocham.blogspot.com/2010/07/truth-in-numbers.html

A lot of Wikipedians argue that the truth will somehow come out of the principle that &#039;anyone can edit&#039;. Why?  Common sense and logic suggests that mostly lies will come out of this principle. Furthermore, examination of Wikipedia itself seems to prove this.  Comments please!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A further post here</p>
<p><a href="http://ocham.blogspot.com/2010/07/truth-in-numbers.html" rel="nofollow">http://ocham.blogspot.com/2010/07/truth-in-numbers.html</a></p>
<p>A lot of Wikipedians argue that the truth will somehow come out of the principle that &#8216;anyone can edit&#8217;. Why?  Common sense and logic suggests that mostly lies will come out of this principle. Furthermore, examination of Wikipedia itself seems to prove this.  Comments please!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Damian (banned editor)</title>
		<link>http://ragesoss.com/blog/2010/07/13/wikimania-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-5523</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Damian (banned editor)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And a very good writer he is too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And a very good writer he is too!</p>
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		<title>By: sage</title>
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		<dc:creator>sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Peter.  That&#039;s not Cade Metz, that&#039;s another &lt;i&gt;Reg&lt;/i&gt; writer, Lester Haines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Peter.  That&#8217;s not Cade Metz, that&#8217;s another <i>Reg</i> writer, Lester Haines.</p>
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		<title>By: sage</title>
		<link>http://ragesoss.com/blog/2010/07/13/wikimania-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-5518</link>
		<dc:creator>sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note: this post and its comments are the subject of an article in &lt;i&gt;The Register&lt;/i&gt;, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/16/cade_wikipedia/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Reg&lt;/i&gt; hack gives forth in Wikipedia doco&lt;/a&gt;&quot;.

To re-iterate in case it wasn&#039;t clear, I think &lt;i&gt;Truth in Numbers?&lt;/i&gt; gives a quite positive view of Wikipedia overall, in spite of fairly uncritical treatment of some of the basic arguments made by Wikipedia critics.  I really hope the film does well and is seen widely, and I think a lot of other Wikipedians felt the same way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note: this post and its comments are the subject of an article in <i>The Register</i>, &#8220;<a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/16/cade_wikipedia/" rel="nofollow"><i>Reg</i> hack gives forth in Wikipedia doco</a>&#8220;.</p>
<p>To re-iterate in case it wasn&#8217;t clear, I think <i>Truth in Numbers?</i> gives a quite positive view of Wikipedia overall, in spite of fairly uncritical treatment of some of the basic arguments made by Wikipedia critics.  I really hope the film does well and is seen widely, and I think a lot of other Wikipedians felt the same way.</p>
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