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		<title>Them and us: ROFLCon folks and Wikipedians</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 15:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This weekend, I went up to Cambridge for ROFLCon II (see my pics).  It was a wonderful, happy, fun, smart conference, and I was really struck by the sense of solidarity among participants, who all consider themselves part of &#8220;Internet culture&#8221;. Being part of a culture means drawing lines between &#8220;us&#8221; and &#8220;them&#8221;, and whenever [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_482" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 460px"><a rel="attachment wp-att-482" href="http://ragesoss.com/blog/2010/05/03/them-and-us-roflcon-folks-and-wikipedians/roflcon-crowd/"><img class="size-large wp-image-482 " title="ROFLCon crowd" src="http://ragesoss.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/ROFLCon-crowd-450x300.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">geeks of a different flavor</p></div>
<p>This weekend, I went up to Cambridge for ROFLCon II (<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ragesoss/sets/72157623975228490/">see my pics</a>).  It was a wonderful, happy, fun, smart conference, and I was really struck by the sense of solidarity among participants, who all consider themselves part of &#8220;Internet culture&#8221;.</p>
<p>Being part of a culture means drawing lines between &#8220;us&#8221; and &#8220;them&#8221;, and whenever Wikipedia was discussed I got the distinct impression that for ROFLCon folks, Wikipedia clearly falls into the category of &#8220;them&#8221;.  I was one of very few Wikipedians there that I know of (Stuart Geiger   was there; I found out that Tim Pierce, a panelist who played a big role   in Usenet history, is a Wikipedian; and I saw Benjamin Mako Hill   briefly).  That&#8217;s not to say that ROFLCon folks don&#8217;t like Wikipedia; respect&#8211;including respectful criticism&#8211;was the dominant tone.  But as one of the Know Your Meme folks lamented in the final panel, &#8220;Wikipedia doesn&#8217;t care about memes&#8221;&#8211;and, by extension, a lot of other significant aspects of Internet culture that are not being documented by mainstream sources.  In a lot of ways, especially through policy, Wikipedia explicitly distances itself from Internet culture.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also striking how different the ROFLCon social atmosphere was compared to virtually every Wikipedian gathering I&#8217;ve been to.  We&#8211;Wikipedians&#8211;are, on the whole, geeks of a different flavor.  ROFLCon is a conference of extroverts; Wikipedians tend to be more introverted.  At Wiki Conference New York City last year, one outsider suggested after hanging out with us for a while that maybe one reason for the gender imbalance among Wikipedians is that males are more likely to be aspies&#8211;and by implication, that Wikipedians, or at least the ones who come together to share their passion for Wikipedia, don&#8217;t seem like neurotypicals.  In my own experience Wikipedian gatherings can be wonderful, they just usually take a while for everyone to get comfortable with each other and start to let their personalities out.  ROFLCon (which at least gave me the impression of being closer to gender-balanced, although I didn&#8217;t try to calculate) was a conference of fast friendliness&#8211;even for people with rivalries and bad blood between them.</p>
<div id="attachment_483" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 460px"><a rel="attachment wp-att-483" href="http://ragesoss.com/blog/2010/05/03/them-and-us-roflcon-folks-and-wikipedians/ben-hugs-moot/"><img class="size-large wp-image-483" title="Ben hugs moot" src="http://ragesoss.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Ben-hugs-moot-450x360.jpg" alt="Ben Huh hugs moot, after harsh words" width="450" height="360" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Ben Huh hugs moot after harsh words</p></div>
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		<title>silly videos and obscure post-structuralist terms</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Evgeny Morozov has a new review of Jaron Lanier&#8217;s You Are Not a Gadget, and he spends a fair bit talking about Wikipedia, the touchstone for how the Internet is changing culture.  (Wikipedia researcher Ed Chi offered to review it for the Signpost, but Knopf publicity has so far ignored my every attempt to request [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evgeny Morozov has a new <a href="http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100311/REVIEW/703119990/1008">review of Jaron Lanier&#8217;s <em>You Are Not a Gadget</em></a>, and he spends a fair bit talking about Wikipedia, the touchstone for how the Internet is changing culture.  (Wikipedia researcher Ed Chi offered to review it for the <em>Signpost</em>, but Knopf publicity has so far ignored my every attempt to request a review copy.)  As I understand it, the book is in part an extension of Lanier&#8217;s Wikipedia-centered 2006 essay &#8220;<a href="http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/lanier06/lanier06_index.html">Digital Maoism: The Hazards of the New Online Collectivism</a>&#8220;.  I haven&#8217;t read the book, but I trust Morozov&#8217;s assessment.  His central point is this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Technology has penetrated our lives so deeply and so quickly that the only way to make sense of what is happening today requires not only drinking from the anecdotal fire hose that is Twitter, but also being able to contextualise these anecdotes in broader social, historical and cultural settings. But that’s not the kind of analysis that is spitting out of Silicon Valley blogs.</p>
<p>So who should be doing all of this thinking? Unfortunately, Lanier only tells us who should not be doing it: “Technology criticism should not be left to the Luddites”. Statements like this establish Lanier’s own bona fides – as a Silicon Valley maverick unafraid to confront the cyber-utopian establishment from the inside – but they fail to articulate any kind of vision for how to improve our way of discussing technology and its increasingly massive impact on society.</p></blockquote>
<p>Morozov says that our understanding of the legal dimensions of the Internet have been elucidated by the likes of Zittrain, Lessig and Benkler.  But humanist and social scientists, he says, have let us down in their duty to explore the cultural dimensions of the rise of the networked society, by either ignoring it or relying &#8220;obscure post-structuralist terms&#8221; that occlude whatever insights they might or might not have.</p>
<p>The overall point, that the academy hasn&#8217;t done enough to make itself relevant to ongoing techno-cultural changes, is right on target.  But I think Morozov&#8217;s glib dismissal of work in media studies, sociology, anthropology, etc., is unfair to both the main ideas of post-structuralism and the writing skills of the better scholars who do work on technology and culture (Henry Jenkins and Jason Mittell come to mind, but I&#8217;m sure there are plenty of others).  Lanier&#8217;s epithet of &#8220;digital Maoism&#8221; is crude red-baiting; I&#8217;m not sure whether Morozov&#8217;s jargon jibe is red-baiting (post-structuralism being the province of the so-called academic left), he genuinely doesn&#8217;t think much of how humanists have analyzed the Internet, or he is just being contrary.</p>
<p>Post-structuralism is complicated (and I don&#8217;t pretend to be an expert) but what&#8217;s relevant in this context, I think, is (as the Wikipedia article obtusely puts it) the idea of &#8220;the signifier and signified as inseparable but not united; meaning itself inheres to the play of difference.&#8221;  Put another way, culture (that is, a work of culture) is valuable in whatever ways culture (that is, a culture, a group of people) values it; what matters is not the work itself (and its inherent or intended meaning) but the relationship between a work an its audience.  Related to this is a value judgment about what kinds of culture are better or more worthy of attention: &#8220;writerly&#8221; works that leave more opportunity for an audience to create its own meanings vs. &#8220;readerly&#8221; works that are less flexible and open to reinterpretation.  The relevance of these ideas for the Internet&#8217;s effects on culture should be obvious: audiences now have ways collaborating in the creation of new meanings and the reinterpretation of cultural works, and can often interact not only with authors work, but with the authors themselves (thereby influencing later works).</p>
<p>So when Lanier sneers at &#8216;silly videos&#8217; and Morozov complains that Lessig doesn&#8217;t address &#8220;whether the shift to the remix culture as a primary form of cultural  production would be good for society&#8221;, I can&#8217;t help but see it as the crux of a straw man argument.  <em>You would have us give up our current system that creates such wonderful culture </em>(left helpfully unspecified, since there&#8217;s no accounting for taste)<em> in exchange for remixed YouTube tripe?</em> But humanists are starting to place more value in the capital intensive products of the culture industry precisely because of the way that audiences can remix them and reuse them and create meanings from them.</p>
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<li>Recommended reading: &#8220;<a href="http://journal.transformativeworks.org/index.php/twc/article/view/118">Sites of participation: Wiki fandom and the case of Lostpedia</a>&#8221; by Jason Mittell</li>
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		<title>YOYOW vs. privacy and anonymity</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laura DeNardis, in her presentation for the &#8220;Technologies of Dissent&#8221; panel at the Access to Knowledge and Human Rights conference today, illustrated the dangers of too much openness and access to certain kinds of knowledge by pointing to eightmaps.com, a mashup of Google Maps and donor data for the Prop 8 anti-same-sex-marriage campaign in California: [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://lauradenardis.org/">Laura DeNardis</a>, in her presentation for the &#8220;Technologies of Dissent&#8221; panel at the <a href="http://www.law.yale.edu/intellectuallife/a2k4.htm">Access to Knowledge and Human Rights</a> conference today, illustrated the dangers of too much openness and access to certain kinds of knowledge by pointing to <a href="http://www.eightmaps.com/">eightmaps.com</a>, a mashup of Google Maps and donor data for the Prop 8 anti-same-sex-marriage campaign in California: you can find out right where these donors live in San Francisco.</p>
<p>Later in the panel, <a href="http://www.eff.org/about/staff/eddan-katz">Eddan Katz</a> of the Electronic Frontier Foundation was emphasizing the virtues of online anonymity for facilitating free expression and dissent (with EFF&#8217;s Tor software, for example).</p>
<p>Obviously, most people at this conference think Prop 8 is a bad thing while anonymous communication between dissidents in places with oppressive and censorious governments is a good thing.  But is there a principled argument that eightmaps.com is good and legitimate and those Prop 8 donors ought not be able to hide from the public, while dissidents in Iran or China ought to be able to organize and speak out and push for their favored kinds of political change behind the cloak of anonymity?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the tension, as panelist <a href="http://www.chander.com/">Anupam Chander</a> explained it, between the Foulcault and the Habermas versions of the Internet&#8217;s potential: universal panopticon surveillance state vs. universal public sphere for rational discourse.</p>
<p>My own view is that there&#8217;s a balance to be struck between the classic net principle of YOYOW (&#8220;You Own Your Own Words&#8221; meaning both that you can say what you want to say and you are responsible for what you say) and the right to speak anonymously.  The balance (one of the driving tensions in the history of the Wikipedia community, incidentally) is essentially the question of  the limits of anonymous speech and action.</p>
<p>(Shooting from the hip here) I suggest a rule of thumb: the closer the political environment approximates an ideal Habermasian public sphere, the stronger the imperative that that people own their own words when they choose to engage in public discourse.  Likewise, the more limits on what people are allowed to say, the more right they have to engage in a wider variety of anonymous speech and action.  (For speech that is not intended to be part of the public sphere, things are quite different and there is more of an argument for privacy and anonymity.)</p>
<p>[A summary of the whole panel is up on the Yale ISP blog: <a href="http://yaleisp.org/2010/02/a2k4dissent,/">A2K4 Panel II: Technologies of Dissent: Information and Expression in a Digital World</a>]</p>


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		<description><![CDATA[This recent lecture by Jonathan Zittrain is long, but well worth it.  It&#8217;s about various forms of crowdsourcing and clickwork, and their scary potential for exploitation, political manipulation, political repression, and other bad stuff, related to what I&#8217;ve blogged about Demand Media vs. Wikimedia and the psychology of fun and games. The send-up of Wikipedians [...]


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<p>This recent lecture by <a href="http://futureoftheinternet.org/blog">Jonathan Zittrain</a> is long, but well worth it.  It&#8217;s about various forms of crowdsourcing and clickwork, and their scary potential for exploitation, political manipulation, political repression, and other bad stuff, related to what I&#8217;ve blogged about <a href="http://ragesoss.com/blog/2009/12/03/demand-media-vs-wikimedia-the-battle-for-the-soul-of-the-internet/">Demand Media vs. Wikimedia</a> and the <a href="http://ragesoss.com/blog/2009/10/23/wikipedia-in-theory-psychology-of-fun-and-games-edition/">psychology of fun and games</a>.</p>
<p>The send-up of Wikipedians and why Wikipedia isn&#8217;t on <a href="http://subvertandprofit.com/">Subvert and Profit</a> is kinda cute at 39:20.</p>


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		<title>Wikipedia in theory (Marxist edition)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The zeroeth law of Wikipedia states: &#8220;The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in practice. In theory, it can never work.&#8221; That&#8217;s largely true of the kinds of theory that are most closely related to the hacker-centric early Wikipedia community: analytical philosophy, epistemology, and other offshoots of positive philosophy&#8211;the kinds of theory most [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Raul654/Raul%27s_laws#Laws_by_others">zeroeth law of Wikipedia</a> states: &#8220;The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in practice. In theory, it can never work.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s largely true of the kinds of theory that are most closely related to the hacker-centric early Wikipedia community: analytical philosophy, epistemology, and other offshoots of positive philosophy&#8211;the kinds of theory most closely related to the cultures of math and science.  (See my earlier post on &#8220;<a href="http://ragesoss.com/blog/?p=132">Wikipedia in theory</a>&#8220;.)  But there&#8217;s another body of theory in which Wikipedia&#8217;s success can make a lot of sense: Marxism and its successors (&#8220;critical theory&#8221;, or simply &#8220;Theory&#8221;).</p>
<p>A fantastic post on Greg Allen&#8217;s Daddy Types blog, &#8220;<a href="http://daddytypes.com/2009/09/08/the_triumph_of_the_crayolatariat.php">The Triumph of the Crayolatariat</a>&#8220;, reminded me (indirectly) of how powerful Marxist concepts can be for understanding Wikipedia and the free software and free culture movements more broadly.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a core principle of post-industrial political economy that knowledge is not just a product created by economic and cultural activity, but a key part of the means of production (i.e., <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_capital">cultural capital</a>).  Software, patentable ideas, and copyrighted content of all sorts are the basis for a wide variety of production.  Software is used to create more software as well as visual art, fiction, music, scientific knowledge, journalism, etc.  (See &#8220;<a href="http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/938/860">Copyleft vs. Copyright: A Marxist Critique</a>&#8220;, Johan Söderberg, <em>First Monday</em>.)  And all those things are inputs into the production of new cultural products.  The idea of &#8220;remix culture&#8221; that Larry Lessig has been promoting recently emphasizes that in the digital realm, there&#8217;s no clear distinction between cultural products and means of cultural production; art builds on art.  (Lessig, however, has <a href="http://www.lessig.org/blog/2009/05/et_tu_kk_aka_no_kevin_this_is.html">resisted</a> associations between the Creative Commons cultural agenda and the Marxist tradition, an attitude that has brought attacks from the left, e.g., the <a href="http://www.piratgruppen.org/spip.php?article55">Libre Society</a>.)</p>
<p>Modern intellectual property regimes are designed to turn non-material means of production into things that can be owned.  And the free software and free culture movements are about collective ownership of those means of production.</p>
<p>Also implicit in the free culture movement&#8217;s celebration of participatory culture and user-generated content (see my post on &#8220;<a href="http://ragesoss.com/blog/?p=145">LOLcats as Soulcraft</a>&#8220;) is the set of arguments advanced by later theorists about the commodification of culture.  A society that consumes the products of a culture industry is very different from one in which produces and consumers of cultural content are the same people&#8211;even if the cultural content created was the same (which of course would not be the case).</p>
<p>What can a Marxist viewpoint tell us about where Wikimedia and free culture can or should go from here? One possibility is online &#8220;social networking&#8221;.  The Wikimedia community, and until recently even the free software movement, hasn&#8217;t paid much attention to social networking or offered serious competition to the proprietary sites like Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, etc.  But if current agenda is about providing access to digital cultural capital (i.e., knowledge and other intellectual works), the next logical step is to provide freer, more egalitarian access to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_capital">social capital</a> as well.    Facebook, MySpace and other services do this to some extent, but they are structured as vehicles for advertising and the furtherance of consumer culture, and in fact are more focused on commoditizing the social capital users bring into the system than helping users generate new social capital.  (Thus, many people have noted that &#8220;social networking sites&#8221; is a misnomer for most of those services, since they are really about reinforcing existing social networks,  not creating new connections.)</p>
<p>The Wikimedia community, in particular, has taken a dim view of anything that smacks of mere social networking (or worse, MMORPGs), as if cultural capital is important but social capital is not.  But from a Marxist perspective, it&#8217;s easier to see how intertwined the two are and how both are necessary to maintain a healthy free culture ecosystem.</p>
<p>Wikimedia and the rest of the free culture community, then, ought to get serious about supporting OpenMicroBlogging (the identi.ca protocol) and other existing alternatives to proprietary social networking and culture sites, and even perhaps starting a competitor to MySpace and Facebook.  (See some of the <a href="http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ragesoss">proposals I&#8217;m supporting on Wikimedia Strategic Planning wiki</a> in this vein.)</p>


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		<title>Laugh-Out-Loud Cats #1090</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laugh-Out-Loud Cats #1090, originally uploaded by Ape Lad. Creative Commons-Attribution-Noncommercial-NoDerivatives 2.0 Yesterday, the new Laugh-Out-Loud Cats Wikipedia article appeared in Did you know (with a freely licensed example that the artist made available specifically for Wikipedia.) Today, Ape Lad posted this gem. For those unfamiliar with the Laugh-Out-Loud Cats, he provides the following&#8230;&#8220;Context: the big [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="padding: 3px; text-align: left;"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/3383095321/" title="photo sharing"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3608/3383095321_a99e0510df.jpg" style="border: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); width: 387px; height: 258px;" alt="" /></a><br /><span style="margin-top: 0px;font-size:65%;" ><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/3383095321/">Laugh-Out-Loud Cats #1090</a>, originally uploaded by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/apelad/">Ape Lad</a>.  Creative Commons-Attribution-Noncommercial-NoDerivatives 2.0</span></p>
<p>Yesterday, the new Laugh-Out-Loud Cats Wikipedia article appeared in Did you know (with a freely licensed example that the artist made available specifically for Wikipedia.)</div>
<p>Today, Ape Lad posted this gem.  For those unfamiliar with the Laugh-Out-Loud Cats, he provides the following&#8230;<br />&#8220;Context: the big one loathes ducks!&#8221;</p>


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		<title>Wikipedia&#8217;s search engine dominance = informational homogeneity?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nicholas Carr (of &#8220;Is Google Making Us Stupid?&#8221; fame) is a consistent source of thought-provoking but (in my view) off-base critiques of the information age in general and Wikipedia in particular. He has an interesting post on the Britannica Blog, &#8220;All Hail the Information Triuvirate&#8220;. This coincides with Britannica&#8217;s roll out of new features to [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas Carr (of &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is_Google_Making_Us_Stupid%3F">Is Google Making Us Stupid?</a>&#8221; fame) is a consistent source of thought-provoking but (in my view) off-base critiques of the information age in general and Wikipedia in particular.  He has an interesting post on the <span style="font-style: italic;">Britannica Blog</span>, &#8220;<a href="http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2009/01/all-hail-the-information-triumvirate/">All Hail the Information Triuvirate</a>&#8220;.  This coincides with <a href="http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2009/01/britannicacom-new-features-and-a-clarification/">Britannica&#8217;s roll out of new features</a> to invite readers to suggest improvements, and some of the usual <a href="http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2009/01/pseudo-marx-on-the-web/">impotent snipes from Robert McHenry</a> and other Britannica editors.  Wikipedia <a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/158263/hitwise_wikipedia_squashes_encyclopedia_rivals.html">gets 97% of all encyclopedia traffic</a> on the Internet, so they have little to do but whine about the culture that let this happen and/or try to learn from Wikipedia&#8217;s success.</p>
<p>A favorite tactic of Wikipedia critics is to bemoan Wikipedia&#8217;s search engine success.  Carr demonstrates Wikipedia&#8217;s dominance of results from the most popular search engine (Google), showing that for ten diverse searches that he first ran in August 2006, then again in December 2007, and again this month, Wikipedia articles rose from an average of placement of #4 to being the #1 hit for all ten searches.  Carr &#8220;wonder[s] if the transformation of the Net from a radically heterogeneous information source to a radically homogeneous one is a good thing&#8221; and has difficulty imagining &#8220;that Wikipedia articles are actually the very best source of information for all of the many thousands of topics on which they now appear as the top Google search result.&#8221;  But this rings shallow without examples (say, for any of his ten searches) of what single web pages would be better starting points.</p>
<p>The idea that the Net has become &#8220;radically homogeneous&#8221; just because Wikipedia is often the first Google hit is absurd.  Wikipedia itself is far from homogeneous, and indeed its great strength is the way it brings together the good parts of many of the other sources of information on the Internet (and beyond).  Carr&#8217;s implication seems to be that without Wikipedia (the &#8220;path of least resistance&#8221; for information delivery) search results would be better and finding valuable web content would be easier.</p>
<p>Carr seems to conceive of Wikipedia as a filter placed over Google that lets through only a homogeneous mediocrity.  Wikipedia is better thought of as refined version of Google&#8217;s method of harnessing the heterogeneity of the Internet; where Google relies on a purely mechanical process, Wikipedia brings together sources with consideration of the individual topic at hand and human evaluation of the importance and reliability of each source.</p>


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		<title>Public weighs in on Flagged Revisions</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew Lih&#8217;s blog post &#8220;English Wikipedia ready for Flagged Revisions?&#8221; is a nice overview of the big news this week: it seems likely that some form of the Flagged Revisions extension is finally going to be used. For more details on the on-wiki discussion, this soon-to-be published Signpost article is a good place to start. [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Lih&#8217;s blog post &#8220;<a href="http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2009/01/24/english-wikipedia-ready-for-flagged-revisions/">English Wikipedia ready for Flagged Revisions?</a>&#8221; is a nice overview of the big news this week: it seems likely that some form of the Flagged Revisions extension is finally going to be used.  For more details on the on-wiki discussion, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jake_Wartenberg/Sandbox/Jimbo_requests_that_developers_turn_on_Flagged_Revisions">this soon-to-be published <span style="font-style: italic;">Signpost</span> article</a> is a good place to start.</p>
<p>The comments on the <a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/wikipedia-may-restrict-publics-ability-to-change-entries/?hp"><span style="font-style: italic;">NYT</span> blog story</a> on this development give a nice cross-section of public perceptions of Wikipedia among the Times&#8217; audience, and their reactions to the possible change in the way the site works.  Some choice quotes:
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<p>It’s a cesspool of misinformation and bias. Now that the Wikipedians are in charge, it will become even more useless as a reliable resource.</p>
<p> Someone needs to be monitoring the Wikipedians. They are not to be trusted with the interpretation of things. -Wango</li>
<li>It’s a living, multidimensional document and I’m of the mind that it should be left the frak alone [...] WIKIPEDIA NEEDS MISTAKES if it is to remain the vital document that it is today. Living things change, static dead things are perfect and immutable. -jengod</li>
<li>It’s not arrogant for wikipedia &#8211; or any source of authoritative information &#8211; to want to be right [...]  Grafitti on the wall may be instructive, but it does not make the wall more valuable or more purposeful. -Frank</li>
<li>Any edit beyond spelling, grammar and syntax, must be considered suspect, if done by a minor, an artist or any individual that does not have any expertise on the subject. -CGC</li>
<li>The real bad blunders are almost always corrected within hours (if the article is of no great interest) or minutes (if it is). So why bother? The true capital of Wikipedia is ALL of its contributors &#8211; and not just the “trustworthy” elite. Such measures will discourage new, fresh, motivated contributors, and in the long run dry out the project. -Oystein</li>
<li>It’s a standard fascist procedure to declare an outrage and then restrict freedoms under the guise of making things better for all. I’m not saying that’s what Wales is doing. Just saying that it sounds like a jack-booted tactic. -Kacoo</li>
<li>Is it possible that [the anons who 'killed' Kennedy and Byrd] weren’t vandals at all, but just people trying to be “that guy” who made the change to such an important entry. Who knows? -Light of Silver</li>
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		<description><![CDATA[The recent Stanton Foundation grant to improve MediaWiki&#8217;s usability hopefully will lower the barrier for computer novices to get started on Wikipedia editing. This comes at an opportune time: we recently learned that the size of the Wikipedia community has not only stopped growing exponentially, it actually has been gradually shrinking since early 2007. The [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The recent Stanton Foundation grant to improve MediaWiki&#8217;s usability hopefully will lower the barrier for computer novices to get started on Wikipedia editing.  This comes at an opportune time: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-01-03/Editing_stats">we recently learned</a> that the size of the Wikipedia community has not only stopped growing exponentially, it actually has been gradually shrinking since early 2007.  The most likely causes of the decline include:
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<li>lack of &#8220;low-hanging fruit&#8221;</li>
<li>lack of new potential editors who are just discovering Wikipedia</li>
<li>Wikipedia&#8217;s scope gradually narrowing to mirror that of traditional encyclopedias (a.k.a., deletionism run amok)</li>
<li>Wikipedia&#8217;s occasionally expert-unfriendly culture that turns off those with the most to contribute</li>
<li>a Wikipedia culture that gives little priority (or even respect) to activities focused on the community itself rather than the encyclopedia</li>
<li>the natural decline in participation of early community members; according to Meatball Wiki, users of any online community generally say <a href="http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?GoodBye">GoodBye</a> after between 6 months and 3 years unless that community is connected to their offline lives</li>
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<p>Usability improvements, it is hoped, will open editing opportunities to people who are scared off by the intimidating and sometimes overwhelming markup that appears when one clicks &#8220;edit&#8221;.</p>
<p>Whether or not this will halt or reverse the decline in editing activity on English Wikipedia is tied up with several conflicting currents of thought in the community.  As Liam Wyatt and Andrew Lih have been pointing out in recent Wikipedia Weekly podcasts (<a href="http://wikipediaweekly.org/2008/12/04/wikipedia-weekly-66-searching-high-and-low/">66</a> and <a href="http://wikipediaweekly.org/2009/01/03/episode-68-wikipedias-nicotine-high/">68</a> are both very astute discussions), the standards for what is and is not valuable content have been shifting consistently towards the convential encyclopedia definition of valid topics.  Quirky lists, small organizations that don&#8217;t meet the ever-harsher notability standards, obscure books and concepts, anything ScienceApologist finds to be an illegitimate invocation of scientific authority, anything deemed too &#8216;mere news&#8217;, and, increasingly, simply anything that wouldn&#8217;t be found in tradional encyclopedias&#8211;these are candidates for deletion.</p>
<p>The implications of deletion trends for community health are not entirely straightforward.  Overzealous deletion leaves a sour taste in the mouths of many editors who have spent a lot of time adding the kinds of content that now gets deleted regularly.  Some leave because of it, or lose their enthusiasm.  On the other hand, a lot of what gets deleted is simply weak, unsourced content; removing it the article pool means that new editors will not base their own contributions on such bad examples.  Deleting content on the borderline of notability, or better yet, downright notable and significant topics, also replenishes the supply of low-hanging fruit.  If someone thought a topic deserved an article, someone in the future may think the same thing and recreate it in better form.  Citizendium recognized the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2008-08-11/Growth_study">advantage of redlinks</a> early on, and decided to start from scratch rather than from a Wikipedia dump.</p>
<p>And while about two-thirds of those polled want to see Flagged Revisions implemented, the other third think it would be too much of a dilution of the &#8220;anyone can edit&#8221; ethos.  Although I&#8217;m in favor of Flagged Revisions, it&#8217;s not clear to me whether it would improve or worsen the problem of commnity atrophy.  It&#8217;s a question of balance: some people are drawn in by &#8216;instant edit gratification&#8217;, while others are turned off by the perceived free-for-all nature of Wikipedia and assume their contributions would simply be swept away in the chaos.  So the lure of stability might or might not outweigh the immediate thrill of seeing one&#8217;s edits go live.  (I suspect the waiting, and the tacit acknowledgement of good work when someone approves a newbie&#8217;s edit, would do more to draw in new users to the community than the instant, impersonal status quo.)</p>
<p>So how would improved usability shake things up?  On the one hand, it might spark a wave of naive article creation followed immediately by a wave of deletion of new content produced by newbies with no grasp of the community&#8217;s standards.  If someone can&#8217;t figure or won&#8217;t figure out how to use basic wiki markup (says the cynic), how can we expect them to use proper sourcing and adhere to Wikpedia&#8217;s core policies of NPOV and Verifiability?  Lowering the barriers to entry might just exacerbate the us-versus-them mentality of deletionism.  On the other hand, maybe a host of new users would integrate well with the community and restore some of its past vitality while pulling the philosophical center back a bit from the deletionist brink.  (Of course, it&#8217;s an open question how much usability improvements could actually affect the influx of new users; the difference might be rather small, if lack of tech savvy is highly correlated with other factors that make people unlikely to edit.)</p>
<p>As Erik Zachte has pointed out (in the earlier version of <a href="http://infodisiac.com/blog/2008/12/wikistats-is-back/#comments">this post</a>), many Wikipedias are still growing; English Wikipedia is not the be-all, end-all.  It is not clear whether each language will follow a similar pattern in the rise and peak of community (accounting for number of speakers, connectivity, and economic issues) or whether different languages can develop sufficiently different Wikipedia cultures to avoid the failings of English Wikipedia (or perhaps generate unique problems of their own).</p>


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010186.html#010186">Clay Shirky gives a 15-minute talk on how participatory media might be changing society in a way analogous to the Industrial Revolution</a>.  Worth watching.</p>


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