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		<title>The pope, Feyerabend and Galileo</title>
		<link>http://ragesoss.com/blog/2008/01/29/the-pope-feyerabend-and-galileo/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anytime you see a reference to Paul Feyerabend in the news, you can be almost certain that he&#8217;s being misinterpreted or taken out of context. As newspapers have been reporting, the pope canceled a planned inaugural speech for the beginning of term at La Sapienza University, in response to the vehement objections of a group [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anytime you see a reference to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Feyerabend">Paul Feyerabend</a> in the news, you can be almost certain that he&#8217;s being misinterpreted or taken out of context.</p>
<p>As newspapers have been <a href="http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/01/thought_for_the_pod_galileo_v.html">reporting</a>, the pope canceled a planned inaugural speech for the beginning of term at La Sapienza University, in response to the vehement objections of a group of scientists there.  As the news reports would have it, the issue was that the pope (then <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI">Cardinal Ratzinger</a>) had defended the heresy trial and conviction of Galileo, quoting philosopher of science Paul Feyerabend that the judgment against Galileo and his heliocentric theory was &#8216;rational and just&#8217;.</p>
<p>In this case (according to seemingly knowledgeable philosophers on the HOPOS mailing list and in the comments of <a href="http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2008/01/pope-quotes-f-1.html">this Leiter Reports post</a>), Ratzinger invoked Feyerabend as one example of anti-rationalist thought, not necessarily as his own view.  And the quote, while perhaps literally accurate, is a translation from the Ratzinger&#8217;s Italian speech, probably based on the German version of Feyerabend (either <span style="font-style: italic;">Against Method</span> or <span style="font-style: italic;">Farewell to Reason</span>).  Feyerabend argued that the church&#8217;s position was rational in that the weight of scientific evidence really did favor heliocentrism at the time, and (to quote Barry Stocker&#8217;s comment from the Leiter post) &#8221; had the right social intention, viz, to protect people from the machinations of specialists.  It wanted to protect people from being corrupted by a narrow ideology that might work in restricted domains but was incapable of sustaining a harmonious life.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is, neither Feyerabend nor Ratzinger were suggesting that the judgment was just in the sense of Galileo having been wrong about heliocentrism (or his interpretation of scripture to square with heliocentrism). </p>
<p>But to be fair to the scientists protesting the pope&#8217;s speech, their main issue is not Galileo but the Vatican&#8217;s positions about the relationship between science and the church.  As one professor explained on the <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/radioshows/AS_IT_HAPPENS/20080116.shtml">CBC&#8217;s <span style="font-style: italic;">As It Happens</span></a>  (part 1,  about 18 minutes in),  it&#8217;s the tension between a religious authority and a secular university  that&#8217;s the real issue; the pope has no place in the secular scholarly activities of the university, he argues.</p>
<p>But Galileo vs. the Church is always a good hook for a story.  Don&#8217;t expect the misuse of the Galileo Affair, or of Feyerabend, to go away any time soon.</p>
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		<title>Ed Larson comes to town</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Edward J. Larson was the guest for my department&#8217;s colloquium yesterday. It was neat to get a chance to talk with him during the graduate student coffee beforehand, where I was the host (even if it was hard to get a word in edgewise). Larson is an interesting character for a number of reasons. His [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Larson">Edward J. Larson</a> was the guest for my department&#8217;s colloquium yesterday.  It was neat to get a chance to talk with him during the graduate student coffee beforehand, where I was the host (even if it was hard to get a word in edgewise).  Larson is an interesting character for a number of reasons.  His research interests are admirably sprawling; he&#8217;s a legal scholar as well of as a historian of science, and religion, and politics, and law.  He was <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Herbert">Frank Herbert</a>&#8216;s lawyer; as he told it, it was his job to call up Frank and tell him when he&#8217;d been at his foreign residence too long and had to get back home to avoid extra taxes.  He studied history at Wisconsin under <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Numbers">Ron Numbers</a>, and he shares an inordinate number of interests with my advisor <a href="http://www2.blogger.com/Daniel%20Kevles">Dan Kevles</a> (including eugenics, law, the Galapagos, Antarctica).</p>
<p>Like Numbers (and unlike the vast majority of scientists and philosophers), Larson takes an extremely balanced approach to his work on creationism and its permutations (see his two books, <span style="font-style: italic;">Trial and Error</span> and <span style="font-style: italic;">Summer for the Gods</span>).  And in lot of ways, he&#8217;s in a perfect position to do something powerful and significant for the public discourse over Intelligent Design.  He has a track record with his Pulitzer Prize-winning Scopes Trial book, which is well regarded by creationists, anti-creationists, <span style="font-style: italic;">and </span>historians of science (no mean feat).  By odd coincidence, Larson was a fellow of the Discovery Institute, doing unpaid consulting on their <a href="http://www.discovery.org/cascadia/">Cascadia Project</a> (which is funded mostly by the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation">Gates Foundation</a>, even now).  He left when they got into ID, but obviously his connection there just adds to his credibility on the topic.  Larson was at University of Georgia for a number of years, but recently moved to Pepperdine University, where he still does both law and history.  Pepperdine is a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churches_of_Christ">Church of Christ</a> school (coincidently, the non-denomination both Matt Gunterman and I grew up in); Larson was raised a Lutheran (I think of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Lutheran_Church">ALC </a>variety, now part of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Lutheran_Church_in_America">ELCA </a>), though I&#8217;m not sure how religious he is now.</p>
<p>Anyhow, the point of all this is that a book on ID by Larson would demand respect from a lot of corners.  When I asked him why he hadn&#8217;t done more with it (his latest projects are on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_1800">election of 1800</a> and Antarctic exploration), he got defensive.  On the one hand, he insisted he <span style="font-style: italic;">had</span> in fact written a lot on ID (articles in an assortment of popular venues; the updated version of <span style="font-style: italic;">Trial and Error</span>; public lectures like the one he&#8217;s giving this afternoon;  his appearance last year on <span style="font-style: italic;">The Daily Show</span>).  On the other hand, he explained, Intelligent Design is extremely hard to pin down.  Each of the main figures at the Discovery Institute has a different take on what exactly ID entails, and each is defending a different set of metaphysical doctrines (obviously, even if not explicitly).  To further complicate things, there&#8217;s the tricky relationship between &#8220;Intelligent Design&#8221; and &#8220;intelligent design&#8221;, the utterly blurred continuum from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_E._Johnson">Phillip Johnson</a> to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_E._Johnson">William Dembski</a> to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Behe">Michael Behe</a> to <a href="http://telicthoughts.com/some-id-positions/">Mike Gene</a> to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Collins">Francis Collins</a> to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_R._Miller">Ken Miller</a>.  So Larson said that Intelligent Design isn&#8217;t a discrete historical topic, and that this kind of thing (cultural/intellectual history?) is not what he does.  (He has written a general history of evolution, a concept at least as historically amorphic and flexible as ID, but I digress.)  His understanding of the complexity of the issue (as opposed to the polemics that currently pass as scholarly analysis, which tend to have a monolithic view of ID) is exactly why he should write the book on it.  I guess the real issue is that he doesn&#8217;t think ID is a significant issue in the long term, which I think is (for better or worse) may not be the case.</p>
<p>On a related note, <a href="http://discovermagazine.typepad.com/horganism/">Horganism</a> has a pair of posts (<a href="http://discovermagazine.typepad.com/horganism/2007/01/in_his_patworth.html">part 1</a>, <a href="http://discovermagazine.typepad.com/horganism/2007/01/more_francis_co.html">part 2</a>) about an interview with Francis Collins that are worth looking at.</p>
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		<title>Terry Lectures: &quot;The Science and Religion Debate: Why Does It Continue?&quot;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yale University&#8217;s annual Terry Lectures took place September 14 and 15. The topic was nominally &#8220;the science and religion debate&#8221;; actually it focused on American creationism and intelligent design. There were talks by sociologist Robert Wuthnow, physicist Lawrence M. Krauss, philosopher of religion Alvin Plantinga, biologist Kenneth R. Miller, and historian Ronald Numbers, followed by [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yale University&#8217;s annual Terry Lectures took place September 14 and 15.  The topic was nominally &#8220;the science and religion debate&#8221;; actually it focused on American creationism and intelligent design.  There were talks by sociologist Robert Wuthnow, physicist Lawrence M. Krauss, philosopher of religion Alvin Plantinga, biologist Kenneth R. Miller, and historian Ronald Numbers, followed by a panel discussion moderated by journalist Margaret Warner.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wuthnow">Robert Wuthnow</a> &#8211; sociologist of religion &#8211; worldview: [unknown]</p>
<p>I missed his talk, but I gather that Wuthnow argued that many or most Americans do not engage with conflicting religious and scientific beliefs that they hold.  Thus, there is actually much <span style="font-style: italic;">less</span> conflict between science and religion than we should expect, given the diversity and prevalence of logically inconsistent views (held in some cases by the same person simultaneously).</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_M._Krauss">Lawrence M. Krauss</a> &#8211; cosmologist, popular author, and anti-ID activist &#8211; worldview: atheist</p>
<p>Krauss gave a talk that was apparently written for his normal anti-ID public lectures; there was nothing particularly new or interesting for followers of the ID debates and political goings-on, but he was an entertaining speaker.  From the historian&#8217;s perspective, there were numerous nits to pick, the main one being his frequent invocation <span style="font-style: italic;">the </span>Scientific Method and how it <span style="font-style: italic;">inherently </span>precludes what ID is trying to do.  To the historian of science, speaking of a single Scientific Method, and especially using such a defintion to make transhistorical proclamations about what science <span style="font-style: italic;">inherently </span>is, is generally one of the first warning signals of scientism.  He did make the boilerplate method-based anti-ID arguments, but he also added a warning of the dangers of the intellectual imperialism of science vis-a-vis other disciplines.  Overall, though, it was more of a <span style="font-style: italic;">mobilize the base</span> talk than an <span style="font-style: italic;">analyze the debate</span> talk.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Plantinga">Alvin Plantinga</a> &#8211; philosopher of religion &#8211; worldview: Calvinist, supporter of the philosophical idea of intelligent design, though not the ID movement and its claims of the scientificity of ID</p>
<p>Plantinga argued that evolutionary biology does not <span style="font-style: italic;">necessarily </span>conflict with theism.  In doing so, he divided modern evolutionary theory (rather perceptively, I think) into six distinct claims/theories: the <span style="font-style: italic;">Ancient Earth</span> thesis, the <span style="font-style: italic;">Progress </span>thesis, the <span style="font-style: italic;">Descent With Modification</span> thesis, the <span style="font-style: italic;">Common Ancestry</span> thesis, the <span style="font-style: italic;">Darwinism </span>thesis (i.e., mutation and natural selection), and the <span style="font-style: italic;">Naturalistic Origins</span> thesis.  One might add a few more items in terms of alternate mechanisms and such (and quibble with the label &#8220;Progress&#8221; for the trajectory of evolutionary history) , but that covers main elements pretty well; Plantinga noted that with the exception of Darwinism requiring Descent With Modification, these are all logically independent.<br />He went on to claim that the theistic doctrine of creation is compatible with all of these theses&#8211;the caveat being that claiming positively that evolution is an unguided process, in which God plays no part (even an undetectable one), is a &#8220;metaphysical add-on&#8221;, an assertion of ontological naturalism rather than simply methodological naturalism.  I think the audience expected that he would defend intelligent design (as a viable scientific hypothesis), and interpreted some aspects of his talk uncharitably, but this was mostly cleared up during Q&#038;A.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_R._Miller">Kenneth R. Miller</a> &#8211; biologist, textbook author, author of <span style="font-style: italic;">Finding Darwin&#8217;s God</span> ( a response to <span style="font-style: italic;">Darwin&#8217;s Black Box</span>) &#8211; worldview: Catholic, anti-ID</p>
<p>Miller, as rumored, is a superb speaker and (in the words of one of my colleagues) &#8220;a virulent Catholic.&#8221;  His talk was basically a selective look at recent goings on with the Intelligent Design Movement, mainly focused on various ways in which he as been there to combat it.  The Dover trial, public lectures in other problem regions, his appearance on The Colbert Report, the use and misuse of his textbook, etc.  Like Krauss, Miller partly aimed to relay the details of the ID happenings, and partly to dispel any doubts about its intellectual vacuity.  Miller also had a significant section at the end devoted to explicating the compatibility of (Catholic) theism and modern scientific theories.</p>
<p>Overall I liked what Miller had to say and how he said it (he did far less trampling over the history and philosophy of science than Krauss), but I felt his treatment of the defense witnesses at the trial and the Discovery Institute&#8217;s role to be somewhat disingenuous, or at least misleading.  He pointed out the statements of all three expert witnesses (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Behe">Michael Behe</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Minnich">Scott Minnich</a>, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Fuller_%28social_epistemologist%29">Steve Fuller</a>) to the effect that the meaning/definition of science should be revised, getting rid of methodological naturalism as a strict requirement.  But rather than attempt any philosophical attack on that position, he quoted Behe to the effect that, in his proposed definition, astrology would fall within the realm of science.  The problem is that for hundreds of years, astrology <span style="font-style: italic;">was</span> a science; it was not abandoned by natural philosophers because of concerns about the definition of science, but rather, because philosophers became convinced that its (testable) predictions were worthless.  To greatly oversimplify, it was falsified; it would remain wrong (I think the ID witnesses would agree) even if it were re-admitted into the scope of &#8220;science.&#8221;  Of course, whether or not ID could be tested (or has already been falsified) even after setting aside methodological naturalism is a separate question.  But using the astrology example (from the mouth of Behe) was an underhanded way to avoid either of those questions.</p>
<p>Like most ID critics, Miller fails to take the cognitive aspects of intelligent design seriously (as opposed to the theological and poltical aspects).  Typically, critics first identify ID with wholesale anti-evolutionism, then proceed to summarize several of the many lines of evidence that clearly suggest the reality of evolution (i.e., descent with modification and common ancestry).  Yet what gives ID most of its intellectual traction is (in some forms) its compatibility with a great portion of evolutionary biology.  Miller quoted Behe&#8217;s denunciation of &#8220;Darwinism&#8221; from the intro <span style="font-style: italic;">Darwin&#8217;s Black Box</span>, but ignored his claims to accept common descent.  Plantinga pointed out that a sympathetic reading would suggest that Behe meant what Plantinga called &#8220;unguided Darwinism,&#8221; but Miller preferred to read an internal contradiction in which Behe accepted common descent yet totally rejected evolution.</p>
<p>I think it takes at least an advanced undergraduate level biological training to understand why the extant intelligent design arguments break down (without simply accepting an argument from authority, which is actually probably a reasonable thing to do); the reigning assumption is that it should be obviously to anyone who&#8217;s taken a year of high school biology (assuming evolution was on the curriculum).  Thus the self-appointed defenders of science consistently underestimate the level of genuine intellectual interest and open-mindedness on the part ID proponents, and correspondingly overestimate their ideological motivations.  Maybe my own first-hand experience with the ID movement (at the University of Oklahoma) was an anomaly, but I think the ID movement wouldn&#8217;t exist without a fair number of people who are interested in the intellectual aspects of ID more than the political-theological aspects.  I&#8217;m also convinced that there is a lot more diversity of opinion within the ID movement than what is represented, for example, in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design">the Wikipedia article</a>, which fully equates ID with the Discovery Institute.</p>
<p>With respect to Miller in particular, this is picking nits.  Mostly, he presented things in ways that, though clearly polemical, were factually defensible and not very distorted.  I was actually surprised at how large a role religion plays in Miller&#8217;s scientific worldview; I don&#8217;t know how much I agree with his philosophy/theology of science (which actually matched up almost totally with Plantinga), but I enjoyed presentation (especially the way it got Krauss riled up).</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Numbers">Ronald Numbers</a> &#8211; historian of science and religion, former president of the History of Science Society &#8211; worldview: non-religious (apostate 7th Day Adventist; husband of an <a href="http://www.zoology.wisc.edu/faculty/Ste/Ste.html">evolutionary biologist</a>)</p>
<p>Numbers talk was fine as far as it went, but it was basically just a history of science and religion in the Anglophone world over the last 200 years; intelligent design played only a minor role, and there wasn&#8217;t really anthing original or surprising (from the perspective of a historian of science) in the talk.  He&#8217;s a great historian, so I was disappointed that he didn&#8217;t actually have anything novel to present about ID.  I did get the chance to have dinner with Ron (along with another grad student and a couple faculty) the night before, which was very enjoyable.</p>
<p>I was hoping the Terry Lectures, in the printed version that will be published by Yale, would finally provide a scholarly, insightful, and fairly neutral resource for improving ID-related Wikipedia articles, but sadly that won&#8217;t be the case.  However, the panel discussion should make interesting material for a historian of science and religion 50 years down the road.</p>
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		<title>Randy Olson&#8217;s science communication suggestions</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently, the film Flock of Dodos was screened at Yale, followed by a discussion with the director Randy Olson, science writer Carl Zimmer, and others. As you might infer from the title, a poke at March of the Penguins, the movie is a humorous take on the public controversy over intelligent design. Unfortunately, I didn&#8217;t [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently, the film <a href="http://www.flockofdodos.com/">Flock of Dodos</a> was screened at Yale, followed by a discussion with the director Randy Olson, science writer Carl Zimmer, and others.  As you might infer from the title, a poke at March of the Penguins, the movie is a humorous take on the public controversy over intelligent design.  Unfortunately, I didn&#8217;t even find out about this until after it had come and gone.  But the discussion afterwards focused on how evolutionists should deal with ID, and from the report of one of the students in Lloyd&#8217;s class, Olson recommended an excellent approach (with Zimmer providing an opposing perspective more in line with the approach of Panda&#8217;s Thumb, NCSE, etc.).  Fortunately, Zimmer has provided some of the material, <a href="http://loom.corante.com/archives/2006/02/17/randy_flock_of_dodos_olson_speaks.php">Olson&#8217;s 10 suggestions for &#8220;improving communication,&#8221;</a> and I think he pretty much nails it.</p>
<p>Especially notable is number 3: &#8220;The most effective means of communication is through storytelling. The shorter, more concise, and punchier the story you can tell, the greater the interest you will hold with an audience.&#8221;</p>
<p>Effective storytelling is something that the scientific community as a whole simply fails at.  But, ironically, the humanist disciplines (e.g., hi<span style="font-weight: bold;">story</span>) are nearly as bad.  Scholars of all persuasions can continue, as <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/02/how_do_we_win_these_battles.php">PZ Myers suggests</a> and <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/strangerfruit/2006/02/im_in_a_bad_mood.php">John Lynch seems to support</a> as well, to emphasize their strengths of &#8220;depth, intelligence, evidence, history, the whole damn natural world, and just plain having the best and most powerful explanation for its existence.&#8221;  But that just serves to further insulate an already insular group; putting more priority on effective mass communication does not mean abandoning good explanations, it just means making them available to non-scholars.</p>
<p>While the more practical branches of science might be able to justify their work in terms of the tangible technical payoffs that society gets from it, evolutionary biologists, historians, and most types of scholars simply don&#8217;t have any other reason to exist except for the general enrichment of society.  Technical monographs and detailed case histories are a proximate goal to enhance the collective knowledge of a specialist community and body of literature, but we ought always to keep an eye on the larger goal of distilling the broad and deep scope of that literature into stories for the rest of society.</p>
<p>This is, of course, the same broad issue that draws me to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ragesoss">Wikipedia</a>, one of the easiest and most effective means of actually applying specialist knowledge to reshape public understanding.  The way things are now, the extent of historical outreach is the occasional late-career book that aims at a (very limited) popular audience along with the requisite scholarly one.  The only historical work that really makes it into public consciousness is what the media industries ask for from historians; Wikipedia (perhaps among other venues) is a chance for disciplines to shape their own public destinies and forge their own places in mass culture.</p>
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		<title>Review of The Evolution-Creation Struggle by Michael Ruse</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did a group book review for Beverly Gage&#8217;s class on American Conservatism last Spring, covering 4 books that deal in one way or another with the history of Intelligent Design. Best of the bunch was definitely Ruse&#8217;s book, The Evolution-Creation Struggle. (The others were Creationism&#8217;s Trojan Horse, Doubts About Darwin, and the 3rd edition [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did a group book review for Beverly Gage&#8217;s class on American Conservatism last Spring, covering 4 books that deal in one way or another with the history of Intelligent Design.  Best of the bunch was definitely Ruse&#8217;s book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0674016874/"><span style="font-style: italic;">The Evolution-Creation Struggle</span></a>.  (The others were <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195157427/"><span style="font-style: italic;">Creationism&#8217;s Trojan Horse</span></a>, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0801064430/"><span style="font-style: italic;">Doubts About Darwin</span></a>, and the 3rd edition of Ed Larson&#8217;s excellent <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195154711/"><span style="font-style: italic;">Trial and Error</span></a>.)  In particular, I think Ruse&#8217;s book is relevant to all the pronouncements about the status of ID as science/pseudoscience/junk science and the frequent invocations of the mystical scientific method, in the wake of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District">Kitzmiller v. Dover</a>.  And since I saw other sites mentioning the book recently, I thought I&#8217;d post that portion of the review.  I also stumbled across this interesting <a href="http://www.salon.com/books/int/2005/08/06/ruse/print.html">interview with Ruse</a> on the book.</p>
<p>My review:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ruse">Michael Ruse</a>—who cultivates a great oval beard to emulate <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin"><st1:place st="on"><st1:city st="on">Darwin</st1:city></st1:place></a>—has written about fifteen books, mostly on evolution, and edited about that many more.<span style="">  </span><st1:city st="on"><st1:place st="on">Ruse</st1:place></st1:city> has a gift for melting down detailed historical scholarship and reforging it into something grander, capturing the broad themes in the history of evolution.<span style="">  </span>His latest offering, <i style="">The Evolution-Creation Struggle</i>, demonstrates the historical continuity of thinking about creation, evolution, and the relationship between religion and science, putting Intelligent Design into context as a philosophical continuation of the same questions that partially-overlapping circles of evolutionists and Christians have been pondering and debating for hundreds of years.<span style=""></p>
<p></span><st1:city st="on"><st1:place st="on">Ruse</st1:place></st1:city> begins by describing the cultural context in which evolution first arose, which is crucial for understanding the tensions and links between evolution and religion, then and now.<span style="">  </span><st1:city st="on"><st1:place st="on">Ruse</st1:place></st1:city> argues that though “the eighteenth century did see much scientific activity, and some was certainly pertinent to the issue of evolution,” “metaphysical ideas played as big if not a bigger role in the origins of evolutionism.”<span style="">  </span>Particularly, ideas of progress heavily informed the theories of virtually every prominent evolutionist before the 20<sup>th</sup> century, with the partial exception of Darwin himself.<span style="">  </span><st1:city st="on">Ruse</st1:city> compares the spread of evolution after <st1:city st="on">Darwin</st1:city>’s <i style="">Origin of Species</i> to the formulation of a religion from Jesus’ teachings, with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Henry_Huxley">T. H. Huxley</a>—<st1:city st="on">Darwin</st1:city>’s bulldog—playing the part of <st1:place st="on"><st1:city st="on">Saint Paul</st1:city></st1:place>.<span style=""></p>
<p></span><st1:city st="on"><st1:place st="on">Ruse</st1:place></st1:city> invokes a tripartite distinction of “pseudoscience,” “public science” and “professional science” to classify early work on evolution, demonstrating a remarkable parallel to Intelligent Design.<span style="">  </span>He describes all the evolutionary theorizing before <st1:city st="on"><st1:place st="on">Darwin</st1:place></st1:city>, from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Lamarck">Lamarck</a> to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Chambers">Robert Chambers</a>, as pseudoscience, because it was derived as much from ideology as from empirical observations.<span style="">  </span>With <st1:city st="on"><st1:place st="on">Darwin</st1:place></st1:city>, evolution became public science; it was intellectually and empirically grounded, but it had little bearing on the actual practice of science.<span style="">  </span>Even the celebrated evolutionary apologist Huxley, a great innovator in biological education, found room for only half a class on evolution in his two-year, 150-lecture course; while he championed the social and (anti-)religious dimensions of evolution in public speeches, he did not find it relevant for future scientists and doctors.<span style="">  </span>Only with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hunt_Morgan">T. H. Morgan</a>, and to a lesser extent <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Haeckel">Ernst Haeckel</a>, did evolution become the pursuit of professional scientists, somewhat separate from ideology and metaphysics.<span style=""></p>
<p></span><st1:city st="on"><st1:place st="on">Ruse</st1:place></st1:city> is thus more forgiving than most of the fact the Intelligent Design springs from religious ideas and has not been conducive to novel experimental work.<span style="">  </span>Though ID is at best public science, if not pseudoscience, that does not preclude professional science in the future.<span style="">  </span><st1:city st="on"><st1:place st="on">Ruse</st1:place></st1:city> is skeptical of its future potential as well, as he sees the retreat from methodological naturalism as a “science stopper,” but his commitment to a historical approach precludes the typical facile demarcation of science and religion as entirely separate entities, with ID consigned to the latter.<span style="">  </span>In nearly a century and a half since <st1:city st="on"><st1:place st="on">Darwin</st1:place></st1:city>, the relationships among religion, concepts of creation, and evolution have taken many forms, but religion and evolution have never been entirely distinct.<span style=""></p>
<p></span><st1:city st="on"><st1:place st="on">Ruse</st1:place></st1:city> addresses the historical role of evolution as a secular religion, especially for the group of scientists who established the core modern evolutionary theory (neo-Darwinism or the synthetic theory of evolution) in the 1930s and 40s.<span style="">  </span>A complicated set of connections grew up gradually among evolutionary theory, Christian theologies, secular and religious humanism, and theories of creationism.<span style="">  </span>Of particular importance was, and is, the distinction between <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennialism">premillennialists and postmillennialists</a>.<span style="">  </span>Most creationism, particularly the tradition of creation science and flood geology, derives from premillennialist, fundamentalist Christian theology.<span style="">  </span><st1:place st="on"><st1:city st="on">Ruse</st1:city></st1:place> also claims that for many evolutionists, such as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins">Richard Dawkins</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._O._Wilson">E. O. Wilson</a>, “evolutionism entail[s] its own brand of postmillennial theology.”<span style=""></p>
<p></span>Intelligent Design represents a new mixture of scientific, philosophical and religious concepts, and <st1:city st="on"><st1:place st="on">Ruse</st1:place></st1:city> does his best to separate each thread of ID for analysis.<span style="">  </span>For each aspect, historical continuity is critical, and <i style="">The Evolution-Creation Struggle </i>makes sense of ID in terms of the very real and continuing tensions between science and religion without reducing history to the old trope of a war between science and superstition.<span style="">  </span>While the conclusions will not sit well with ID proponents, <st1:place st="on"><st1:city st="on">Ruse</st1:city></st1:place> separates his philosophical judgments from his historical analysis so that a wide audience will find this book useful.</p>
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		<title>H-NET Intelligent Design discussion</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[With all the Intelligent Design news lately, ID has been making the rounds on the H-NET H-SCI-MED-TECH listserv. Instead of writing papers, I got side-tracked by composing some responses to some of the discussion there. I should start by saying that: 1) I don’t think there is any positive evidence of non-natural causes for science [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all the Intelligent Design news lately, ID has been making the rounds on the <a href="http://www.h-net.org/%7Esmt/">H-NET H-SCI-MED-TECH listserv</a>.<span style="">  </span>Instead of writing papers, I got side-tracked by composing some responses to some of the discussion there.<o:p></o:p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I should start by saying that:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1) I don’t think there is any positive evidence of non-natural causes for science to find in nature (though I don’t completely rule it out), so don’t expect the ID program to be successful in the future.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">2) ID is not a significant enough factor in the scientific community to validate including it in public school curriculum, assuming the point of science education is to teach the best science.<span style="">  </span>The efforts to put it in schools are almost purely religiously motivated.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Having said that, I have to respectfully disagree with much of the discussion on H-SCI-MED-TECH, and I don’t think ID is as bad as most of the discussants seem to think.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Michael Roberts writes intelligently on putting ID in historical context, particularly vis-à-vis Paley.<span style="">  </span>His points, with my comments:</p>
<pre><tt>1.<span style="">  </span>“Intelligent Design does not seek to explainbut to appeal to some intelligent designer tocertain things which seem to be beyond explanationat present. This is what Behe does in <st1:place st="on"><st1:city st="on">Darwin</st1:city></st1:place>'sBlack Box.<span style="">  </span>In fact it is a form of a god of the gapsargument and he has received much criticism for that.”</tt><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">    The argument of <i style="">Darwin’s Black Box</i> is closely related to generic God-of-the-gaps arguments, but it does try to go beyond such negative to arguments to make a positive argument for design, particularly by analogy to other observable instances of design.<span style="">  </span>Still, it is largely a negative, gaps-based argument.</p>
<pre>2.<span style="">  </span>“<tt>ID is not a rewrite of Paley as Paleysought to explain <o:p></o:p>Design not to appeal to it.”

</tt><tt><span style="">[and following up on this point in a later email]

</span></tt><tt>“In their understanding of Creation IDCs open themselvesto having a<o:p></o:p></tt><tt>split-level understanding of Creation, as partdesigned and part<o:p></o:p></tt><tt> not… This is in contrast to the Designof Paley and Buckland where all is designed.”</tt></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">    This is a serious philosophical and theological tension in ID, and does set it apart from Paley.<span style="">  </span>While this criticism does not necessarily invalidate ID (on its own), it does detract from the potential potency of ID design arguments, which cede modest ground to evolutionary explanations—“a two-tier Creation” is somewhat unsatisfying.</p>
<pre><tt>3.<span style="">  </span>“ID must be put in historical context andits connections with<o:p></o:p> Young Earth Creationismand an Old earth Creationism which is sceptical<o:p></o:p>of evolution. Barbara Forrest is helpful here.ID may not be YEC but it<o:p></o:p> is always going to bedwith YECs!! As a result they ignore any evidence<o:p></o:p>of the vast age of the universe and the earth.”</tt></pre>
<p class="MsoNormal">    This is valid point, and the connections are indeed important, although ID advocates vary on their age of the earth opinions; many in fact reject YEC explicitly and do not ignore the accepted cosmic and geological timelines.<span style="">  </span>As for Barbara Forrest, I find her (non­-)use of historical context appalling, at least in <span style="font-style: italic;">Creationism’s Trojan Horse</span>.<span style="">  </span>The fact that she co-writes with Paul Gross (of <span style="font-style: italic;">Higher Superstition</span> fame) should be a tip-off that she doesn’t take the history of science too seriously (except as a history of the triumph of pure reason over ignorance and superstition).</p>
<pre>4.<span style="">  </span>“<tt>[B]e aware of the shoddy scholarship of bothID and YEC, especially on its history.”<o:p></o:p></tt></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">    Indeed, although the same complaint can be made about the invocation of history on the part of the anti-ID side as well, while some ID advocates actually do use history fairly responsibly (David Swift in <span style="font-style: italic;">Evolution Under the Microscope</span>, for example).  Roberts himself has drawn attention to the misuse of history in anti-ID literature in this excellent <a href="http://www.wheaton.edu/ACG/essays/roberts1.html">review of <span style="font-style: italic;">Tower of Babel</span></a> (and the review gives a better picture of Roberts&#8217;s general take than the snippets above).</p>
<p><a href="http://www3.kumc.edu/historyofmed/crenner.html">Christopher Crenner</a> of <st1:placetype st="on">University</st1:placetype> of <st1:placename st="on">Kansas</st1:placename> complains (rightly) that putting ID into the <st1:state st="on"><st1:place st="on">Kansas</st1:place></st1:state> education system is simply naked politics, which sort of bypasses the whole issue of realism/social constructivism.<span style="">  </span>With cultural politics dictating science education, we aren’t dealing with the same kind of subtle influence by which the social constructs the scientific; this is the political creating the scientific by fiat.<span style="">  </span>But the core of his objection, it seems, is this:
<pre><tt>“The intelligent-design faction lifts outone central piece from an integrated andcoherent study of the life sciences,holding it up for special critique.”<o:p></o:p></tt></pre>
<p class="MsoNormal">    I agree with the “special critique” sentiment, but where did he go to high school?<span style="">  </span>In my high school in <st1:place st="on"><st1:city st="on">Yukon</st1:city>, <st1:state st="on">Oklahoma</st1:state></st1:place>, the biology curriculum was utterly incoherent, and not just because evolution was either off the menu or so limited that I don’t remember it.<span style="">  </span>High school science in general (and university science nearly without exception) is not integrated or coherent, and at that level it doesn’t necessarily need to be.<span style="">  </span>High school science education isn’t about teaching kids the truth; science changes, and the simplified high school curriculum bears little resemblance to the actual state of the biological knowledge of scientists.<span style="">  </span>Learning a smattering of Newtonian physics or Darwinian evolution doesn’t create responsible members of society, nor have much inherent value, but it may spark an interest in science.<span style="">  </span>And Intelligent Design may do the same thing.<span style="">  </span>ID isn’t any more disconnected from high science than the version of evolution that makes it into classrooms, and whether or not kids are taught a “right” or “wrong” theory (or both) is largely irrelevant.<span style="">  </span>Each theory can enlist much more of the facts (or factoids, if you prefer) of biology than could be covered in a school year, and each could potentially demonstrate the empirical nature of science.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"  style="font-family:verdana;">Hypothetical Situation:<br /><span style=";font-family:verdana;font-size:100%;"  >        Cosmo, a 10th-grader at </span><span style="font-size:100%;"><st1:place style="font-family: trebuchet ms;" st="on"><st1:placename st="on">Podunk</st1:placename> <st1:placetype st="on">High School</st1:placetype></st1:place></span><span style=";font-family:verdana;font-size:100%;"  >, goes to biology class.  His school board decided to “teach the controversy,” which is a step up from leaving evolution out of the curriculum altogether.  Mrs. Benes (who also teaches home economics and coaches girl’s soccer) is ecstatic; now she can show the kids how ID is right and evolution is bunk.  So Cosmo gets a head full of Intelligent Design Theory and decides he wants to become a biologist&#8211;not to be a culture warrior, but because he finds something he can connect with in (his school board’s version of) science.  Most of his classmates also come out of high school “knowing” that ID is right, but they also know that the world isn’t just science versus religion; they know what the theory of evolution is, even if they don’t believe it.  Better yet, they understand why it’s a cultural issue, though they are also under the impression that it is a genuine scientific controversy.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">        Cosmo goes off to college at </span><st1:place style="font-family: verdana;" st="on"><st1:placename st="on">Crazy-Go-Nuts</st1:placename> <st1:placetype st="on">State</st1:placetype></st1:place><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">, and he majors in biology.</span><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">  </span><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">He’s surprised that the other biology students don’t know anything about ID, and quickly comes to realize that there aren’t any scientists on campus who agree with it either (except for Professor Vandelay, a physicists who likes the anthropic principle arguments but doesn’t know any biology).</span><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">  </span><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">He debates his classmates, and at least for his first two years, he wins easily.</span><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">  </span><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">Like Aristotle’s physics vis-à-vis Newtonian forces, Intelligent Design is in many ways a lot more intuitive than abstract models of genetic changes and ad-hoc theories of co-optation.</span><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">  </span><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">But the further he gets into science, and the more he reads about the ID debates, the more he realizes how powerful evolutionary explanations are, and the more he realizes the limits and fuzziness of Intelligent Design.</span><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">  </span><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">He ignores the issue for a while, but he’s always looking for ways to weigh ID and evolution with evidence that isn’t already in the ID/evolution literature.</span><o:p style="font-family: verdana;"> </o:p></p>
<p style="font-family: verdana;" class="MsoNormal" face="verdana">        By the time he graduates, Cosmo is well ahead of the other biology majors at CGNSU (they were mostly pre-med anyway).  All that time learning more and more biology (and physics, and math) to decide the whole ID thing for himself paid off, even if he still doesn’t feel like he knows enough to decide for sure between ID (a very weak version, probably encompassing universal common descent) and orthodox evolution.  Fortunately he didn’t include his sympathy for ID (it certainly isn’t outright support anymore) in his graduate school application essays; Cosmo is soon on his way to study evolutionary biochemistry at a top-tier graduate school.  In graduate school, any remaining sympathy he had for ID quickly evaporates.  By the time he is publishing papers, he’s one of vast majority of scientists who simply don’t see ID as any legitimate scientific competition for modern evolutionary biology.</p>
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<p>My own intellectual development took some similar turns to the fictional Cosmo; I didn’t become interested in biology until I took biochemistry my sophomore year at OU, but I probably would have had ID been taught in my high school.<span style="">  </span>As a junior (and with a fair amount of biochemistry under my belt, in the class and the lab) I became interested in ID, but with plenty of skepticism and the expectation that a) the holes I saw in evolutionary explanations were probably my own ignorance, and b) ID could only work from a religious standpoint… it was God-of-the-gaps, but if the gaps were real, why not put God in them.
<p class="MsoNormal">The more I read and learned (at first), the more I was convinced that in fact, there are a lot of recalcitrant holes and that, maybe, ID could be put on a mathematical, probabilistic footing that would make it more than God-of-the-gaps.<span style="">  </span>I didn’t know much biology beyond biochemistry, but the biochemistry/molecular biology side of evolution seemed particularly weak (it still does in many ways, relative to the other realms of evolutionary explanation), and others argued that, in the same way, the more one knew about geology or organismal biology, the more shaky evolution seemed (the <a href="http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2005/11/intelligent_des.html">Dilbert Blog</a> explains this argument well).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But ID only had the edge to a point.<span style="">  </span>After about 2 ½ years of involvement with the ID issue, including quite a bit of enthusiasm for a while, I was largely back where I started (though knowing a lot more evolutionary biology and biochemistry), as a skeptic of ID.<span style="">  </span>At this point, I don’t think ID is going anywhere scientifically.<span style="">  </span>But it’s also not so intellectually indefensible as critics maintain; its failure is hardly self-evident without deferring to the opinions of the scientific community, particularly for non-specialists.<span style="">  </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It isn’t a significant scientific controversy, but “teaching the controversy” in public schools is also not the end of the world.<span style="">  </span>The fact is, a whole lot of biology makes sense without evolution… that’s why I could go through an undergraduate program in biochemistry without hearing a word about evolution (and even in core biochemistry graduate courses at Yale, it is mentioned on occasionally).<span style="">  </span>Neither teaching ID nor neglecting evolution is going to make the <st1:country-region st="on"><st1:place st="on">United   States</st1:place></st1:country-region> fall further behind as a leader in science… if anything, I think ID might get more kids into science.<span style="">  </span>And even if, as practicing scientists, they still disbelieve evolution (as a moderate number of molecular biologists, biochemists, and physical scientists do), it doesn’t make them bad scientists (although it would make them bad evolutionary biologists).<span style="">  </span>After all, most biologists think in terms of classical physics (when they think in terms of physics at all), but it doesn’t make much difference to biology.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Moving on, Hall Triplett writes:<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre><tt>“"Intelligent Design" has been around forcenturies, only not in the <o:p></o:p>form of ascientific theory.<span style="">  </span>It is a redesign ofthe old ontological <o:p></o:p>argument for theexistence of a supreme being.<span style="">  </span>It waspresented by various philosophers as anessential element in the philosophy ofreligion until Kierkegaard refused toaccept it as essential and took hisfamous leap of faith instead.<span style="">  </span>It wasthoroughly debated in this centurybetween Father Copleston and BertrandRussell.<span style="">  </span>The issue needs to be exposedas ancient theology with only a newscientistic name.<span style="">  </span>It has a history,just not in science.”</tt><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 0.5in;">The problems with Triplett’s dismissal of ID here are manifold… critically, the history of “ancient theology” coincides significantly with the history of science.<span style="">  </span>Design arguments of basically the same form as ID have been prominent from Plato to Descartes to Newton to Maupertuis to Kelvin to the modern exponents of the anthropic principle (including, apparently, Owen Gingerich), and from Linnaeus to Aggasiz to Osborne, through the Creationists and Creation Scientists of the 20<sup>th</sup> century, to the irreducible complexity folks.<span style="">  </span>Trying to apply information theory (with very limited success thus far) to traditional arguments from improbability and analogical arguments is what perhaps sets ID apart from the traditional design argument.<span style="">  </span>But the real weight of ID is that we simply know much more about the natural world than natural philosophers and natural historians did in Paley’s time, and if anything, Paley’s premise only got stronger the more we learned about the structure of living organisms.<span style="">  </span>Of course, the theory of evolution also provided an alternate avenue of explanation which has been highly successful at explaining much of the seeming design in nature.<span style="">  </span>It is a near consensus among biology experts that in fact, the evolutionary explanations are much better than the design arguments.<span style="">  </span>The design argument stronger than it has ever been; it is only <i style="">relatively</i> weaker.<span style="">  </span>That is why it takes an expert to decide between them.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 0.5in;">For historians to suggest that ID is invalid <i style="">a priori</i> because it isn’t science is basically to abandon historicism in favor of political expediency; the modern definition of science (which assumes natural causes are the only causes that can exist) is a very modern invention, and the boundaries between science and not-science have never been particularly stable.<span style="">  </span>It’s one thing to say, as either a scientist or a secularist or just a citizen concerned with church/state separation, “you’re a Creationist, and I’ve got to stop you.”<span style="">  </span>It’s quite another for a historian to say, “you’re a Creationist, and because modern science says Creationism isn’t science, it must never have been science.”<span style="">  </span>I don’t mean by that to completely conflate ID and Creationism; politically they amount to about the same thing today, intellectually there are significant differences both now and historically.<span style="">  </span>Maupertuis, for example, argued extensively against mainstream 18<sup>th</sup> century natural theology; his position was—similar to ID—that, while looking to nature <i style="">could</i> demonstrate the existence of a designer, it <i style="">could</i> <i style="">not</i> help illuminate the characteristics of the designer… it couldn’t make the leap Paley and many before and after him would try to make, to equate the apparent designer with the God of the Bible.<span style="">  </span>Every point on the spectrum between natural theology and philosophical naturalism has been part of what was considered legitimate science at some time.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 0.5in;">As historians weighing in on the modern debate, I don’t think we can simply equate ID to earlier design arguments and judge it therefore as bad science (or bad theology masquerading as science).<span style="">  </span>What we can do is, to the extent that we trust/endorse/believe in/accept modern science, defer to the judgment of scientists.<span style="">  </span>If (as humanists still struggling with the limits of social construction and relativism) we can’t feel comfortable going along with the scientists for the sake of their expertise, we should withhold the verdict on ID, at least as far as its scientific value.<span style="">  </span>Of course, that does not preclude fighting ID as a political movement and keeping it out of schools (though as I argued above, bad science in education doesn’t necessarily mean bad science education, from a pragmatic viewpoint).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I know many of my fellow historians of science will disagree strongly with a lot of what I&#8217;ve written here&#8230; please leave comments and criticisms.<br /><o:p></o:p></p>
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